Wednesday, July 19. 2006Israel's Unnecessary War
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How can one believe that killing innocent people will bring Israel to a all-time high ? Has Israeli's government propaganda totally got rid of your freedom of thought ?
My grand-father spent a few years in Dachau because he helped jews escape trains going from France to Germany during second world war. He came back with severe health problems that finally got him at the age of 52 (quite young isn't it). I am now married to a Lebanese and I must admit I am tempted to regret to have lost my grand father because of his courage when I see cowards bombing civilians from both sides of the border ! What a huge disaster for Israel's (ex-)friends from all over the world ...
Maybe I don't completely disagree with you; however, did not your fellow countrymen not invade and kidnap Israeli soldiers? Did they not allow Hizbollah to form a terrorist organization and to accumulate 12,000 rockets to kill Israeli civilians? Has the Israeli government attacked Lebanon without provocation? No government in the world has plQELOWead for peace as much as Israel in almost 60 years and they would prefer to live in peace with the Lebonese, aid in their prosperity, improve medical care and be able to visit each other's country with love in our hearts. Terrorists in the Islamic world will not allow this peace. The radical belief in the Koran will not allow peace with infidels. What would you have Israelis do?
You really should be ashamed of yourself for such a comment, and if you aren't, I suspect your grandfather is.
Talk about collective blame. Just because you disagree with the military tactics of Israel, you feel justified in regretting your grandfather's efforts to save innocent people. So exactly what is the logic here? If only he'd let those Jews die in the gas chambers then other Jews wouldn't be around to engage in war? The world would be a better place right now if only more Jews had been slaughtered in the Holocaust? Here's an idea. Let's not stop with the Jews. Let's avoid doing anything to help any suffering people anywhere in the world given the likelihood that some of their descendants will commit acts that you'll find distasteful. This is disgusting and typical of the sort of thinking that is applied almost exclusively to Jews. You are a fool and a hateful one at that. I suspect your grandfather was a brave and wonderful man, one whose memory deserves far better than to be soiled by a grandson who invokes his selflessness in such a glib and disgraceful way.
Let's just take 2 minutes to clear the smoke from the Global scene. Dear Jihadist....If Allah (God) is all knowing, and all powerful, why would he have given the US and the Israeli's such superior fighting forces and weaponry? Just one of our Nuclear Submarines has more disructive force on board than all the bombs that have exploded in history since the Chinese invented gun-powder! ...and your fighters are strapping on vests stuffed with plastique. Get real ! Can you really be honest with you heart & soul, and believe that the Creator of all good things, that has infinate wisdom and grace, would want you to saw the head off of another human being because he was raised in a different faith? Judaism and Christianity have the same roots as Islam, and have been practiced longer. It's our FAITH , Man ! ....and we will no sooner convert to your faith as you would to ours. For the love of Pete, Yaway (or diety of your choice) use your God-given logic and understand that your goal of either converting us to your way of thinking, or killing 5 billion of us as infidels is simply a sham that some of your Mullahs have perpatrated upon you. The U.S.is trying to fight anothe war in a P.C. fashion, but mark my words, brother if teh Jihadists ever raise the ante, and start using nukes..you will be kneeling down five times a day, and praying toward a 100 square mile sheet of glass, where the Kaaba "used to be". The US doesn't put up with a lot of crap!
The only way to deal with someone who wants to eliminate
you is to eliminate them. This peace proccess is baloney it just serves to give the enemy time to rearm: see what happened in lebanon since 2000. israel push on and while your at it eliminate syria and iran
I wholeheartedly agree with Dr. Pipes' analysis and the need to reestablish deterence.
But let's take it one step further. There is something better than deterence -- victory. Deterence is used when one can not or will not defeat an enemy. In such a case one establishes a threat to hurt the enemy enough to keep him from attacking. It may be true that Israel can not or will not defeat the Arabs as a whole and so deterence is necessary. But that does not apply to Hamas or Hizballah and maybe not even to their Syrian backer. Let Israel defeat and destroy, not deter, those it is currently fighting. Can one think of a better form of deterence for its other enemies?
"In this mish-mash of appeasement and retreat, Israel's enemies rapidly lost their fears, coming to see Israel as a paper tiger.
"As a result, Palestinians and others rediscovered their earlier enthusiasm to eliminate Israel. "TO UNDO this damage of 13 years requires Israel returning to the slow, hard, expensive, frustrating, and boring work of deterrence. That means renouncing the foolish plans of compromise, the dreamy hopes for good will, the irresponsibility of releasing terrorists, the self-indulgence of weariness, and the idiocy of unilateral withdrawal." Yes, though Pipes doesn't take up the theme of the general, left of center zeitgeist in the MSM, EU, UN and likeminded precincts, which makes it exceedingly difficult, if not virtually impossible, to operate in any more traditional manner - i.e. as one would operate without that general zeitgeist and media/populist, ideological and romanticized influence. That, imo, is what made the pullback from Gaza a reasonable tactic: it laid bare, for the world to see (assuming the world chooses to see), the eliminationist (of Israel, of course) and highly regressive politics in general among so-called "Palestinian" factions. Too much of the world, still, refuses to see nonetheless.
I am a Jewish French whose ancestor was a minister in Israel.I really don't understand this new war against all the Lebanese territory.
Seen from France,even among the Jewih community,this new action is undefendable and purely predatory. It's true I am a left-winger but even though,I cannot stand morally to support Israel once again for I don't perceive the offence to Israel and the real necessity to counter-attack. Add to this the minable communiqu? from the Israeli Embassy in Paris and you'll understand all the angst i feel against Tsahal these days. The world is watching you and,this time,ba aware that we,overseas Jewish,are not supporting you like a single man...
The comment above is 100% camel dung! If that French leftist is ashamed that his grandfather saved some Jews (which in reality were probably 2 jewish chicks that he wanted to lay), it doesn't hold a candle to those here in the U.S. that regret liberating his countrymen from the Nazis. He's a pathetic, cowardly product of a leftist country. If Spain began lobbing hundreds of missles into France's 3rd largest city what would they do? Probably wave the white flag (comme d'habitude) or beg for the UN Blue Helmets and the USA to come once again & save their sweet asses.
This comment of mine was originally sent onto another blog(Kesher).I am quite surprised to find it here now.
Do you know what are French socialists before to assess me as a "leftist"? french socialists will probably be in office next year and,more, I am a supporter of Mrs Royal-seen as a right-wing socialist. Before assessing I am a leftist,come and have a look to my web-log,although written in French
I think some of you did not understand what I said previously. If some of you are feeling insulted by what I said, please accept my apologies.
For those who call me a jihadist : my wife and I are christians, so neither jewish or islamist. I am not ashamed of what my grand father did nor did I regret what he did: he saved lives (as opposed to killing innocent civilians). I have always been a supporter of Israel fundamental right to peaceful existence (and of disarming of Hizbollah's militia). What I wanted to express is how much horrified I was by Israel's current action in Lebanon. What I wanted some of you to understand is that Israeli government is doing harm to jews everywhere in the world currently by perpetrating this "slaughter" (yes it is, please read alternative Israeli's medias as well as medias in other countries). Nobody can understand this "deterrence" concept outside of Israel (well except for some texan guy in the US maybe  nobody believes anymore that Israel really wants to save the two soldiers who have been captured (they would have exchanged them already), nobody can believe that by destroying lebanese economy and by killing civilians that the security of Israel will be better. The only way to peace is negotiation, Lebanon was starting to be an independent country (from Syria), a lot of people in Lebanon were asking to disarm Hizbollah but the government did not have the military power to do it because Syria AND Israel would not have accepted that Lebanon develop their army ... So what, shall Israel continue the "kill'em all" game ? The ultimate goal for Israel's government should be security for Israelis , if it is, then they don't use the proper strategy: a solid anf legitimate government in Lebanon (away from Syria's hands) with a solid army would have helped much more. And this costs lives to both Israelis (have Hezbollah already attacked Haifa this much before?) and Lebanese, this is pure non-sense. France and its allies (including USA) did a mistake in 1919: humiliating Germany after victory with the Versailles treaty. We all know which kind of revenge Germany took when it had the opportunity and we all know the price paid by jews in Europe ... I hope Israel will not do the same: arabic people in general already feel humiliated and frustrated by how they are treated by occident and Israel alike. Lebanese already feel humiliated right now ("Are our lives so cheap for Israel ?" was a comment I heard), all of the arab world feels frustrated and humiliated by the current behavior of Israel and occident, it will not help peace in any foreseeable future. PS For Neil: Julien and I are 2 distinct persons ...
Why do people never learn - You cannot achieve piece by going to war. The two terms contradict each other. Just ask Bush or Blair.
Wow, I can't believe how we reason genocide! That's basically what is happening in Lebanon. I also feel that Israel is committing the Sin of Pride (and avarice)! What else do you call murdering hundreds of innocent woman and children because two soldiers were kidnapped? And it is MURDER. Of course, if you are Jewish, and part of the "Chosen Race," then God expects you to murder in the name of your religion. Get off!
And now, you have murdered U.N. Peacekeepers!!! Just a few days after refusing to have more observers, you murder those there. What brave people you are. By the way, why doesn't anyone ever mention who started modern terrorism? Yep, the Jewish. Hotel David, what? "47? Blew up a whole bunch of inncocent people. Thanks for teaching the rest of the world what to do, we all get to suffer. I used to have sympathy, but like the rest of the world I am waking up to the facts instead of propaganda. The victor may write history, but this is the present. Add Comment
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